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today I want to talk about dinosaurs

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they lived a hundred million years ago

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when I wasn't born and when humans

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weren't around but sometimes you have to

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give same size is good you don't get

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bored or don't get tired you guess do a

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little bit science and then you do the

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West Lake hat welcome to the skeptic

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zone the podcast from Australia for

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you

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 358 for the 30th of

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August 2015 Richard Saunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia thank you

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thank you to Oscar and Daphne alabaster

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for your little science reports right at

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the beginning of the show fantastic

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we're going to be hearing from your mum

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Joe later in the show and what a mixed

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bag what a lucky dip what a cauldron of

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I can't think of the word what a

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cauldron of clever things we have for

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you this week on the skeptic zone i'm

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sure listeners can come up with a better

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um a better phrase than that a cauldron

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of cortland of coming up this week on

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the skeptic zone we're going to kick off

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with an interview with russ bolts from

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the Brisbane skeptics society with the

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National Convention drawing ever closer

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in fact it's in October we're catching

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on some of the great headline acts

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coming to Brisbane coming to Brisbane to

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take part in the Australian skeptics

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National Convention how can you help or

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you can book a ticket more information

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about that coming up you know what else

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you can do folks you know what else you

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can do if you're in Australia and you

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would like to nominate somebody for this

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year's Australian skeptics bent spoon

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award head for ww skeptics Comte you

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click on these special features link and

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you'll see the bent spoon award now this

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award is presented every year to the

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perpetrator of the most preposterous

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piece of paranormal or pseudo scientific

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people Oh what am what a sentence that

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is past winners past winners have

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included dr. Larry Marshall chief

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executive from the CSIRO for supporting

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water divining the chiropractor's

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Association of Australia Fran Sheffield

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from homeopathy plus for advocating

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magic sugar water instead of tried and

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true vaccinations other winners have

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been Meryl Dory from the deceptively

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named Australian vaccination network we

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have the pharmacist of Australia who

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managed to forget their scientific

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training and in order to flog all sorts

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of

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quackery on their shelves ABC television

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with their show second opinion for

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uncritical presentation of many forms of

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quackery and going further further back

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into the past we have the journalist

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michael Willacy for documentary signs

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from God and for those of you who

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remember Steve visored here in Australia

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his tonight live program you can read

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all the past winners at skeptics Comte

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you but we need more nominations for

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this year if you know of an individual

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or an organization worthy of nominating

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for the bent spoon somebody out there

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spruiking what we might consider to be

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medicine or spiritual practices or

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paranormal or whatever headed for the

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site fill out the nomination and let us

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know we need some more nominations

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anyway yes kicking off the show it's

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society telling us all about the

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upcoming convention can't wait to see

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you there and after that it is joe

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Joe's going to be looking at the recent

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cartoons by the famous cartoonist

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Michael Looney and his strong

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anti-vaccination stand what's behind all

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that evidence please with Joe alabaster

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following that it's a week in science

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from the Royal Institution of Australia

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www r-ia us dot org are you looking at

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the science of sleeping boom and then we

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have a tribute to the late professor

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colin k a long time skeptic here in

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australia and a good friend of mine who

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astronomer to then to round off the show

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I speak to Michelle Franklin from the

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newly formed Darwin skeptics Darwin way

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help out as well now for those of you in

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of August rule that's tomorrow I'll be

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meetup group lecture presentation hope

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skeptic zone if you want to come along

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see you head to meetup com / podcasting

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hyphen Sydney but i'll put a link in the

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show notes and that should be a lot of

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for Maenads podcasts always worth listen

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then you have a chance to meet me and

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lots of other people from the australian

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skeptics this weekend this saturday the

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paranormal and spiritual Expo now we

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a paranormal and spiritual Expo it's a

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skeptics to come along to the Australian

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cats that's Fred's message well it's not

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tiring as you're probably no doubt

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finding out how are things shaping up

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skeptic amp it turns out that banks want

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currently of Australian skeptics asking

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Australian convention in 2015 and of

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skeptics society members everyone has

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local hotels and you know we did that

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things are starting to come together and

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the money decisions that of course that

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everyone to experience this this huge

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event in the Australian calendar it

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conventions and I've been the organizing

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committee of a few myself but regardless

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of my disastrous efforts yeah I've

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look you know to have someone like Brian

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Schmidt at our convention is just

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think of skepticism often what they're

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thinking of our other classic things you

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know psychics ghost hunting even medical

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whoo and it's of course we're going to

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feature talks on all of that stuff but

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to have someone who's a real heavyweight

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in science and who's so passionate about

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it I mean I've got to say I've seen

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Brian Schmidt speak myself and he just

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absolutely love sciences and the process

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of science to he just loves discovery he

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loves the the whole thing you know and I

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I'm really excited for someone of his

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quality to be in Brisbane to talk for

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all of the skeptics that are going to be

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in attendance and it's really not

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someone you should miss he he really is

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bit of a hero in Australia now of course

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after winning a Nobel Prize at Anu for

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discovering the expel the exactly

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accelerating expanding rate of the

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universe so you know he's just

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obviously a multitude of speakers but

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I'm really excited to see him again and

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to get the chance to talk to him

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backstage I think that's the privilege

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of the organizers in a way that you get

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time to sort of speak to these amazing

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people who otherwise you might not get

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to absolutely yeah I can back that up

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for sure it it's a certain thrill and I

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guess it's one of the reasons i like

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going to conventions no matter where

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they are it's to meet these very

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interesting and influential people and

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people who do certainly make a mark in

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society apart from that wonderful

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headline act we might say a dear old

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friend of mine I haven't seen for a few

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years so I'm so glad that he's coming

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over for this the legendary Joe Nickell

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yeah look you know it's funny when we

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were putting together a list of who we

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might want to bring over to Australia

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you know we were really looking to put

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in as much variety as possible and you

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know one of the things that we said was

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who who has the experience you know

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who's been there who's done it who can

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help the next generation of skeptics in

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their quest to to sort of be effective

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skeptics and Joe Nickell was the obvious

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stand out for us he's written more books

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that I have digits over my my hands on

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and time feet and he's just been

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everywhere you know he's been all over

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the world he's experienced things and

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he's done things the right way you know

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he really goes into investigations in in

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a methodical way but he makes it fun for

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the reader and he's just such a

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personality you know I being in New York

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and I think for people who don't know

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Joe Nickell too well he's he's very

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famous for not being connected to the

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internet or technology particularly in

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fact I believe he still writes his books

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on a typewriter which is just quite

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frankly amazing so I have to I have to

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phone if own him up at the office at see

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if I in buffalo new york and for me it's

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it's normally 12 or one o'clock in the

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morning i like to catch him sort of 9

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a.m. new york time and you know I I

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normally only have small things to let

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him know about and that the first time I

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found him up I think it was three

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o'clock in the morning before I finally

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hung up the phone because he's just he's

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about the story for every situation and

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his

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only in a skeptical sense but personally

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he's he's really done a lot of things

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and you know I was so excited when he

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said that he would come and people

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really are going to be in for a treat

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with him he is he's one of the biggest

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characters and skepticism he certainly

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is he certainly is and what an

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interesting speaker he is my goodness me

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it doesn't matter what one of his many

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adventures or interests in the skeptical

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field he'll be telling us about at the

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meeting at the convention it'll be

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fascinating it always is with joe

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nickell I can promise you that another

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dear friend of mine Eugenie Scott I

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can't wait to see her again Susan ger

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back from guerrilla skepticism who will

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be in Sydney giving a talk briefly

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before she heads up to prison which is

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good news for Sydney people the list

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goes on and on and on how how did you go

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about getting these people together did

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you have a huge list of names it was a

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matter of who was available yeah I mean

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it's interesting actually because I

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won't mention the people who turns down

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but there weren't that many though I

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think that's the encouraging thing we

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put together a list and I think as I

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mentioned briefly earlier what we really

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wanted was a diversity of experience

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different topics and you know we said

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what are the issues in skepticism right

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now that people need to be learning

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about and also what are the people who

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can talk to us and just give us general

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skills you know we've got people like

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Peter ellerton and Theo Clark and you

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know these are the kind of people who

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they study thinking for a living you

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know Theo obviously is amazing he's a

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great educator and he's got a lot of

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skills to put forward in that regard and

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Peter allerton is a great philosopher

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and he he really sort of looks in a very

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scientific way of the way we think and

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these are really to me the core skills

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of skepticism you know thinking about

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how we think or I guess metacognition

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some people call it you know these are

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the kind of skills that you need to come

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to the convention for you know we get

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accused of preaching to the choir and of

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course that's true to a certain extent

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in these kinds of events but they're

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really about learning and may

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can yourself better skeptic so you know

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we looked at that and we also wanted

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people of course who have achieved a lot

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so that's where people like Eugenie

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Scott Joe Nickell came in and also you

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know we didn't want it just to be all

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about skepticism you know we all love

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science I think skeptics are some of the

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biggest science lovers than raw so

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that's where people of course like Brian

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Schmidt come in you know dr. Mel

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Thompson who is a really great speaker

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and obviously john cook as well who's

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you know he's going to talk about sort

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of the climate change stuff which is one

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of the issues of course that's really

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important right now that the skeptics

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are are trying to do and then we thought

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well other people of course we need sort

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of a more entertainment time value and

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you know that's why people like miles

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pelicans in here he he started a YouTube

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channel a few years ago now and you know

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he makes really quality content and he's

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had a lot of experiences himself and not

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just in giving information but he's had

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a lot of legal troubles with people

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trying to censor him and these are the

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kind of experiences that we think

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skeptics need to hear about and sort of

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take that on in their own lives going

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forward and I guess one of the other

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things we wanted to do as well is that

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we really wanted this this convention to

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reflect Brisbane all right it's been a

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long time since a real major event

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happened in Brisbane in fact I think

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it's 2009 which is the video which is

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what five six years ago now which is

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it's a long time and we wanted to sort

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of promote some of the younger people in

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in Brisbane who are just starting out on

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their journey but I think we'll

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hopefully have a lot to give in the

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future you know we've got people at kali

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wall and she's she's really tireless on

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things like Twitter but she also has a

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very interesting area in psychology you

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know even myself I guess you know I've

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sort of got a bit of knowledge that I

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can give to people hopefully you know in

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microbiology and sort of missing

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microbes it's the title of my talk so

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you know we figured if we can get a

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really good mix then people are going to

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get the most out of their weekend that

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they possibly can absolutely right it's

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a good thing to have a good mix and you

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certainly do have a good mix look folks

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if you want to find out more and get

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your tickets booked I brush I take it

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there still tickets left yeah they

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certainly are this we have very few

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early bird

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it gets left so if you want to guarantee

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your seat right near the front you

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should you should get in as soon as

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possible because those tickets are

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selling very quickly and of course if

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you want a more I guess premium

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experience there we have that available

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too and of course we have the usual

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concession and standard tickets so if

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you want to go to convention Brisbane

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skeptics dot org all the information is

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there all of the speakers and all of the

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schedules are going to be online very

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soon and all of the abstract so you can

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have a really good meaty look at what

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you're going to experience over the

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weekend that's very interesting and look

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out for Richard Saunders and Maynard and

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Joe alabasta from the skeptics own

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running around doing interviews we can't

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we can't wait for that that's going to

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be a highlight for us may not is just

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beside himself which is a sight to see i

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can tell you that he's very really it's

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very excited to be coming to brisbane

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folks you can meet may not meet me meet

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Ross meet all these wonderful people

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there's wonderful headline acts a very

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prominent skeptical thinkers in our day

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and age Australian skeptics national

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convention in Brisbane coming up October

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the 16th to the 18th and as Ross said

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that website to check out and get your

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tickets convention Brisbane skeptics org

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well Ross um thanks again for chatting

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to us we might even have a quick chat in

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the days leading up or just before the

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convention see how it's all panning out

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but until then I can't wait to come up

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and take part thanks I'm really looking

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forward to having everybody there and if

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you do see me at the convention I might

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look a little stressed but that

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shouldn't deter you from coming up and

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saying hello Rose bolts thank you very

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you

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popular whimsical Australian cartoonist

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Michael Lunik has again raised

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controversy with a cartoon published in

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the age and the Sydney Morning Herald on

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the 19th of August on the topic of

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vaccination the cartoon depicting a

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close-up of the hands in Michelangelo's

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painting the Creation of Adam with the

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hand of Adam holding a syringe is titled

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fascist epiphany and states quote the

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god of science grants politicians the

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divine right to enforce mass medication

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criticism via social and online media

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was prompt with several news outlets

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running stories that morning one of

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which was Mamma Mia who contacted me to

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discuss the cartoon quote speaking to

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Mamma Mia alabaster said she believed

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the cartoon to be quote highly

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problematic end quote quote it sends the

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community a message of fear and mistrust

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based on ideas that simply aren't

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truthful science gives us the knowledge

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that vaccines are the safest and most

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effective way we can protect our

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children against vaccine-preventable

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diseases and quote she argues the

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reframing the government's policy as

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quote forced mass medication and quote

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is disingenuous at best and at worst

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could put children in danger quote we

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need to be reassuring parents with the

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facts not scaring them with emotive

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cartoons about fascism and quote she

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said and quote Lunik has made several

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statements in response to the public's

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reaction to his cartoon in which he's

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refused to disclose his personal opinion

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on vaccination nor acknowledged the

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science supporting them instead

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diverting the conversation to his

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opinions on the government's decision

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from the age quote I was conscripted for

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military service in Vietnam when I was

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young and quote Linux said quote I felt

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the full weight of that kind of

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authoritarianism for a futile and sad

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tragedy that took place in Vietnam I am

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weary of compliance in the name of civic

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responsibility

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end quote I feel immense compassion for

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those who experience the tragedies of

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the vietnam war any war and thoroughly

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support conscientious objection to

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military conscription however I take

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great issue with comparisons being drawn

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between conscientious objection to

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taking part in war and so-called

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conscientious objection to vaccinations

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vaccination is impart a matter of

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conscience but not in the way that

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vaccine refuses would like to think

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conscience is involved in making the

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moral decision to vaccinate to protect

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not only our own children but the wider

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community especially those who cannot be

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immunized due to compromised immune

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systems being too young to receive

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vaccinations or other legitimate medical

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reasons it is inaccurate to frame

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parents decision not to vaccinate their

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eligible child as a matter of conscience

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in any way similar to a person's refusal

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to participate in a war it's a matter of

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fear driven misinformation not morality

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influencing a decision which tragically

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robs children of protection against

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disease I have sympathy with the urge to

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mistrust something which is being

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perceived as a direction from the

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government I'm a skeptic after all and

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blind acceptance is not one of my

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Forte's but we've got to stand back and

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look at the evidence here while some

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people might find the tactics of no jab

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no play and no job no pay policies

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heavy-handed their goal is to protect

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lives I urge people to please not let

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their feelings on our current

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government's and these policies

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influence their view of the science

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supporting vaccination I'd also like to

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add that throwing around emotive and

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hyperbolic words such as fascist and

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enforce an adding much treason to the

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narrative to be frank and they're both

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inaccurate while learning argues that

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quote he was not saying that the

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government was fascist but that every

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government could have a a fascist moment

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or make fascist decisions the cartoonist

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argued that fascist was just another

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word for authoritarianism for

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totalitarian

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what are we afraid of about this word

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I'm a cartoonist who uses words that are

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real I don't want to pussyfoot around

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here and quote I would argue that

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fascist while used colloquially as a

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denigration to suggest authoritarianism

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is inescapably linked to fascist regimes

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in the same way that Nazi recants the

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National Socialist German Workers Party

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and Hitler it's an incredibly strong

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word to use with specific connotations

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learning is welcomed to invoke such

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connotations of course but I think that

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it's disingenuous for him to defend

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fascist as being just another word for

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authoritarian I also take issue with the

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suggestion that the no job no play and

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no job no pay policies are equivalent to

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enforced mass medication putting aside

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the pedantic point that vaccines are

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preventative biological agents and are

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not technically classified as

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medications I think that enforced is too

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strong a word for these policies parents

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still have a choice to refuse to

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vaccinate their children though the

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consequences for not doing so risk of

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disease disability and death aside will

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be somewhat harder to live with

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alternative arrangements will need to be

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made by the families of preschoolers in

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Victoria whose parents refuse

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vaccinations but require child care

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vaccine refusing families nationwide who

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rely on the family benefits which are to

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be a revoked under no job no pay we'll

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do it tougher financially it could be

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argued that there's some coercion

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involved in both of these policies but

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it isn't mandatory enforcement as you

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may have guessed by now I'm actually

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with learning to a degree I do think

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that the ethical issues surrounding no

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job no play and no job no pay policies

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need to be examined carefully at the

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risk of being quoted out of context by

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anti-vaccination campaigners I am

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somebody who is very firmly in a pro

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vaccination camp and there are parts of

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these legislations that I am not

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comfortable with in an ideal world

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parents would not require any loss of

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benefits in order to be prompted to

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vaccinate their children

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that do so because they understood the

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importance of protecting both their kids

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and the wider community from disease

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indeed with the proposed policies

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requiring children to be vaccinated

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unless medically exempt before being

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permitted to attend preschool services

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or their families granted government

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payments we could invoke the United

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Nations conventions on the Rights of the

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Child which determined that children

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have the right to access education and

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Social Welfare when discussing the

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rights of children there I think that

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it's important to note that the treaty

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also recognizes the right of children to

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access quality healthcare including

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preventative health care this is an

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obligation that the parents who refuse

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to vaccinate their children are failing

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to meet I think that we also need to

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consider the right of children who

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attend preschool services to do so in a

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safe environment particularly those

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children who are unable to be vaccinated

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due to medical reasons I cannot fathom

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the experience of parents of children

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with cancer who on top of dealing with

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their children's illness have the added

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worry that they'll be exposed to a

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vaccine preventable disease when

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participating in community life I

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imagine that knowing the children their

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kids interact with on a daily basis were

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offering them as much protection as

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possible would alleviate some of the

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stress in their lives and it would

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certainly reduce the risk of potentially

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fatal illness one of my concerns is that

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strong government policies such as

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theirs run the risk of further

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polarizing fringe groups who oppose

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vaccination removing them from

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discussion and reinforcing their fear

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and mistrust conversely these policies

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may shift some people from closer to the

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middle ground those who are merely a

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little hesitant over the fence and I

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very much hope that these people have

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compassionate GPS or contact with people

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such as the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters who can listen to their

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concerns and reassure them about the

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decision they're making so while there

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is certainly discussion to be had on the

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ethics of immunisation legislation I

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think that it needs to happen very

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carefully with full acknowledgment that

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vaccination is the safest and most

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effective way to protect

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our children from vaccine-preventable

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diseases without stressing the

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importance and efficacy of vaccination

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we risk giving people an incomplete

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message on the issue and providing

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anti-vaccination campaigners with

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cartoons and quotes which they can frame

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with misinformation and try to use to

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further their cause it would be a

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terrible thing to use your freedom of

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expression on a nationwide platform to

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espouse the virtues of freedom of choice

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and then express yourself in such a way

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that some people may become focused on

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the ethics of policy without being

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mindful of the science supporting

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vaccination to be clear I support

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Michael learnings freedom of expression

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just as I support parents freedom to

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choose whether or not to immunize their

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children but with those freedoms come

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consequences and I want both Michael

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leunig and parents who refuse to

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vaccinate to be aware of the facts about

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immunization the potential outcomes of

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their actions and for them to make

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for more evidence please keep listening

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for the skeptic zone or visit my blog at

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evidence please net find me on twitter

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at joe alabaster or check out evidence

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welcome to a week in science from our

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IRS bringing you the science you need to

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know we spend around one third of our

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lives asleep but most people don't give

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it much thought so why do we need our

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sleep and just what happens while we're

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in the world of Nod huh time to wake up

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and find out sleep is essential for

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resting the mind and body and is

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controlled by our internal body clock

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located in our hypothalamus our body

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clock is established during the first

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months of life and controls the timing

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our nightly sleeps through the release

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of the hormone melatonin while

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everyone's clock runs on roughly a 24

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hour cycle melatonin released can peak

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anywhere between 9pm and 3 a.m.

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depending on the individual and it's

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this variation which explains why some

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people are naturally night owls and

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others early Rises once asleep our brain

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cycles through different levels of

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consciousness this sleep pattern is

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uniform in most people involves a series

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of transitions between deep sleep and

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REM or rapid eye movement sleep REM

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sleep is the part of the sleep cycle

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during which we dream and is thought to

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be important for both memory storage and

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recharging your brain most people have

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four or five dreams at night even though

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we usually don't remember them and

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finally the optimum sleep time is seven

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to nine hours a night for adults

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research has shown that under or over

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sleeping will not only increase your

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risk of a chronic health condition but

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will also significantly reduce your life

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expectancy and now for fast facts about

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sleep

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paralyzed to stop us moving about people

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who don't get enough sleep are more

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likely to overeat due to lower levels of

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the appetite regulating hormone leptin

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the record for the longest period

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without sleep is 18 days 21 hours 40

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minutes the winner reported

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hallucinations paranoia and blurred

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vision and finally yes it is possible to

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sleep with your eyes open that's it for

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skeptic gustaria Shack or simply come

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I am saddened to report to you the death

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of an old friend of mine professor Colin

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k professor k was a member of the New

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South Wales skeptics Committee for many

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years as well as the founding president

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of the hunter skeptics up in the

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newcastle area I first met Colin in 1999

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a skeptics convention where I noticed he

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was wearing a shirt that said five

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double oh seven I had to ask I thought

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what is this what is this the position

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he finished in a running race or

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something like that a big marathon then

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he told me it was the name of his

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asteroid and we became firm friends

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after that I had the pleasure of

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interviewing Colin some years ago for

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the international year of astronomy

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podcast and i'll put a link to that

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interview in the show notes or you can

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just google international year of

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astronomy Richard Saunders Colin ke ke

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EA y and you can hear that interview but

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here is a tribute to to Colin written by

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longtime skeptic Barry Williams I was

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saddened to learn of the death on august

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twenty fifth of my old and valued friend

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colin k now deepest sympathies go to

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Myra and the rest of collins family

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colin stuart lindsay kay born in New

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Zealand was an astronomer from 1965

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until his retirement in 1993 he was a

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senior lecturer an associate professor

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at the physics department of the

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University of Newcastle his work

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particularly in investigating near-earth

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asteroids and space junk and him many

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accolades but one that afforded him so

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much pleasure was when in 1997 the

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International Astronomical Union named

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the asteroid miner planet five double oh

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seven k in his honor in his later career

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he fought a battle to have recognized

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the phenomenon known as geophysical

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electro phonics where why some people

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claim to hear sounds associated with

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passing meteorites and or arielle

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displays the general scientific

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consensus once was that this was

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a psychological effect but due in no

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small part to Collins determined

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research it is now recognized as a

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genuine physical phenomenon though its

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mechanisms are still not fully

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understood in 1987 Colin formed the

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first regional skeptics group the hunter

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skeptics in Newcastle and such was his

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enthusiasm and drive that his group

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organized successful annual Australian

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skeptics national conventions in 1992

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the first such to be held outside the

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state capitol and again in 1997 Colin

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also served on the New South Wales

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committee for many years travelling to

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Sydney for each monthly meeting rarely

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missing one Colin was a great bloke and

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a fine scientist with the dry sense of

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00:40:06,489 --> 00:40:04,730
humor I will recall when responding to

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our congratulations at having an

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asteroid named in his honor he said it's

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certainly better than having a

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hemorrhoid named after me farewell old

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friend you'll be sadly missed and

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finally on a personal note I was forever

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a little bit miffed too when I learnt

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that Colin had a regular space and

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science column in the Newcastle Herald

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for over 30 years until he was told he

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was no longer needed as they would

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replaced his column with a psychic

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00:40:46,539 --> 00:40:43,220
column a psychic involved was known as

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00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:46,549
the amazing valdir I had the displeasure

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00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:49,849
of seeing the stage show of the amazing

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00:40:57,479 --> 00:40:52,700
powder some years ago over ten years ago

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00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:57,489
now and I was completely and utterly

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underwhelmed with her basic cold reading

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so long Colin k and thanks for all your

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the skeptic magazine the journal from

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Australian skeptics subscribe online to

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the world's second oldest skeptical

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magazine visit w WC apx com au and click

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the publication's league you can also

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find their over 30 years on back issues

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free to download the skeptic magazine

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from Australian skeptics and joining me

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now all the way from a wonderful place

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water what an interesting place it is

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00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:06,310
Humpty Doo I'm not making that up folks

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it's really called Humpty Doo it's

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00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:11,310
Michelle Franklin hello Rochelle I

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Richard how are you I'm really well

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today and it's great to catch up with

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00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:17,250
you great to contact you i should say

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00:42:22,109 --> 00:42:19,630
because you're up there and hoped you do

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which is about roughly an hour south of

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00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:23,710
darwin which is the capital of the

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Northern Territory here in Australia

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00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:27,580
Darwin named of course after Charles

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Darwin and I'm contacted you today

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00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:31,390
because it's come to my attention that

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00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:33,880
you're starting up a relatively new

987
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:36,490
group Darwin skeptics that's very

988
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:40,650
exciting what motivated you to do that

989
00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:43,990
probably the isolation of being so far

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00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:46,900
away from everybody else I wanted there

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00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,390
to be a local group where I could talk

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00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:52,720
to people in my area about local things

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00:42:57,329 --> 00:42:55,150
rather than just watching everybody else

994
00:43:00,240 --> 00:42:57,339
talking about their things in other

995
00:43:02,940 --> 00:43:00,250
places I said well I can understand that

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00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:02,950
entirely because like the rest of it the

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00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:04,750
24-hour internet I suppose you're

998
00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:06,940
engaged in conversations and news and

999
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:08,980
things from all around the world and I

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00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:10,810
can understand that so you're at the

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00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:11,890
moment you're interested in getting

1002
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:14,560
people in your area I've been Darwin up

1003
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:17,369
in the Northern Territory to to hook up

1004
00:43:22,109 --> 00:43:19,810
that's right we're just at the moment

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00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:22,119
I'm just hoping to find a little group

1006
00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:25,420
and down the track I'm hoping for

1007
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:27,820
skeptics in the pub or me

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00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:29,530
tings or hopefully something a little

1009
00:43:34,350 --> 00:43:32,410
bit more formalized eventually I think

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00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:34,360
that's probably a worthwhile thing and

1011
00:43:38,340 --> 00:43:36,310
I'm sure it's going to happen and just

1012
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:38,350
for the benefit out of our listeners and

1013
00:43:43,230 --> 00:43:40,870
you can google this folks humpty doo is

1014
00:43:45,930 --> 00:43:43,240
famous in skeptical circles because many

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00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:45,940
years ago I think way back in the 90s if

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00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,550
i'm not wrong there was in your area a

1017
00:43:56,420 --> 00:43:53,200
poltergeist now you must have heard

1018
00:43:59,250 --> 00:43:56,430
about that I have it was actually in the

1019
00:44:01,140 --> 00:43:59,260
in the newspaper just last year because

1020
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:01,150
someone wrote a book that included that

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00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:03,850
the humpty doo poulter guys but I was

1022
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:05,350
also i was aware of it before that

1023
00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:07,150
because i used to live just in the next

1024
00:44:12,090 --> 00:44:09,160
street over so i drive past that house

1025
00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:12,100
every day and i look around but i never

1026
00:44:16,110 --> 00:44:14,440
saw anything strange unfortunately maybe

1027
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:16,120
that's the poltergeist i can hear in the

1028
00:44:20,490 --> 00:44:18,910
background now yeah the two red tail

1029
00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:20,500
black poltergeists that just flew over

1030
00:44:24,510 --> 00:44:22,630
so for the benefit of our listeners can

1031
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:24,520
you describe exactly where you are and

1032
00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:26,590
and what's happening there what's making

1033
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:30,520
those noises I'm on my veranda I live

1034
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:32,410
just south of Humpty Doo and my house is

1035
00:44:36,930 --> 00:44:34,270
a bit echoey so I came out onto the

1036
00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:36,940
veranda and I thought I'd gotten into a

1037
00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:38,860
nice quiet window but the red-tail black

1038
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:41,470
cockatoos have just come back they lose

1039
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:43,390
around this area we've got about six or

1040
00:44:47,940 --> 00:44:46,330
seven that frequency our yard yeah

1041
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:47,950
they're rather noisy but I quite like

1042
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:49,930
them Aereo folks from around the world

1043
00:44:54,210 --> 00:44:51,850
you're getting a little bit of a local

1044
00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:54,220
Northern Territory wildlife in the

1045
00:44:57,570 --> 00:44:55,720
podcast at the moment that's that's

1046
00:45:00,060 --> 00:44:57,580
quite fun and I know those birds are

1047
00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:00,070
they're quite beautiful are they they

1048
00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:02,590
are they're quite stunning very very

1049
00:45:06,990 --> 00:45:04,840
striking colors in their tails yeah

1050
00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:07,000
anyway so they're not pulled a guy after

1051
00:45:13,050 --> 00:45:08,680
all but yes the pump to do is famous

1052
00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:13,060
because of a reporting of a poltergeist

1053
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:15,940
there and from memory because it's not a

1054
00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:18,250
story I've looked at for many years from

1055
00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:21,700
memory I think it was a case of objects

1056
00:45:27,570 --> 00:45:24,280
being sticky taped to the top of ceiling

1057
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:27,580
fans yeah once the ceiling fan was

1058
00:45:30,570 --> 00:45:29,110
turned on and started to spin for a

1059
00:45:32,370 --> 00:45:30,580
while suddenly objects would be flying

1060
00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:32,380
around the room and things like that I

1061
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:34,300
think we can be pretty sure by

1062
00:45:40,349 --> 00:45:37,210
coincidence just by could I think we can

1063
00:45:43,289 --> 00:45:40,359
be pretty sure wasn't a real poltergeist

1064
00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:43,299
possibly yeah the the articles that i

1065
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:45,849
read showed words written in pebbles as

1066
00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:47,230
well people would come home and there

1067
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:49,660
would be little stones placed in in

1068
00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:55,930
strange words but um mmm well gee that's

1069
00:46:00,839 --> 00:45:57,400
it's not like a human could do that I

1070
00:46:02,849 --> 00:46:00,849
suppose no I know what's not checked so

1071
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:02,859
it's really great that you're you've

1072
00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:05,650
started this initiative and folks in the

1073
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:07,900
Darwin area or if you have your keen to

1074
00:46:14,099 --> 00:46:11,579
help support a new skeptical venture

1075
00:46:18,089 --> 00:46:14,109
just head to Facebook at the moment

1076
00:46:20,789 --> 00:46:18,099
facebook.com slash groups / Darwin

1077
00:46:22,829 --> 00:46:20,799
skeptics one word and skeptics belt the

1078
00:46:24,089 --> 00:46:22,839
American Way with a chaos we normally

1079
00:46:26,489 --> 00:46:24,099
spell it here in Australia these days

1080
00:46:30,359 --> 00:46:26,499
anyway so that's facebook.com slash

1081
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:30,369
groups / Darwin skeptics and Richard we

1082
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:32,890
also have Darwin skeptics email address

1083
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:35,849
that's just oh and skeptics @ gmail.com

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if anybody wants to contact us that way

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Darwin skeptics @ gmail.com if you just

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want to contact the Darwin skeptics

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purely by email if you're not on

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Facebook or of course you can contact

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them via Facebook well Michelle let's

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keep in touch let's see how it goes the

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Australian skeptics are here to help in

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any way we can is it something really

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good to see a new group springing up and

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heavens above will have to try and

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organize hopefully one day a big

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skeptical trip up to Darwin to visit you

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all I think that would be fair that

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would be wonderful I think I'd enjoy

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that very much we could revisit the

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humpty doo poltergeist and see if he's

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still around we could we could now that

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would be an interesting trip I think I

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wonder if he's still there just waiting

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for us well for now Michelle Franklin

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all the way from Humpty Doo near Darwin

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in the Northern Territory google it

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folks have a look on your Google Maps

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see exactly where that is thank you very

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